Mark Skaife Understands Road Saftey

[ysu]

What bothers me about it is that it suggests the journalism is being influenced, and that the pieces are written or edited to give weight to the current road safety campaigns. To me, that isn't a pleasant place for journalism to be in and it makes me question everything. It's not exactly North Korea of course, and it could just be down to poor journalism but it still makes me incredibly sceptical about the validity of the news.

And you should be. The amount of garbage flowing out of the media is so enormous, there should be a spam filter applied at the source level.
They put forward absolute rubbish opinions and speculations as "facts" quite often, etc...etc...
I'm sure there are correct people there, but they seem to be lost in the flow of faeces.

[J.D.]

ysu, I'd modestly suggest you read the examples I posted. You can see for yourself specific examples of how things are reported and who the sources are that we quote.

Now if you have some specific comments you'd like to make about the reports I have referenced then I'm all ears but such sweeping generalisations add nothing to the debate.

You're entitled to your opinion but we are not liars nor are we in the business of confirming your prejudices.

there should be a spam filter applied at the source level.

Ummm...aren't you one of those leading the charge against the government's internet filter on the grounds that it interferes with freedom of speech...?

[ysu]

You're quick to jump to the conclusion I was talking about you.
Well I was - when I mentioned there' are correct people in the business.
But I've seen a lot, heard a lot, and experienced a lot. Maybe not as much as you, but enough to know not take anything at face value from the media.

You can try to argue with this, but you can't change my opinion easily. Sorry.

[J.D.]

You're quick to jump to the conclusion I was talking about you.

I didn't. That's why I referred to the examples I quoted. But I am part of it.

You can try to argue with this, but you can't change my opinion easily. Sorry.

That's a matter for you.

[petey]

Seems funny to me that in Media class I studied in tassie the only thing we focused on was everything that JD argues against.

Essentially Media Watch was our leader.

[J.D.]

I was interested to hear a media student tell me the other day about how crews are told to "bait" people outside courts to get "better" shots...Most of us have a well developed sense of self preservation, especially if it involves crims.

I don't know what they teach people in media classes these days but I'd be really interested to sit in on a few.

[petey]

I'm 100% certain nothing we learnt would be relevant in any part of the industry. One of the fundamental issues of school for media.

[bengatta]

I was interested to hear a media student tell me the other day about how crews are told to "bait" people outside courts to get "better" shots...Most of us have a well developed sense of self preservation, especially if it involves crims.

I don't know what they teach people in media classes these days but I'd be really interested to sit in on a few.

There have been a few documented cases of this recently... two things, the baiting and the careful editing that says all the same words but puts it in a way way way different context than it was actually said...

Many many many years ago I remember seeing a documentary on Michael Jackson that was really quite normal, and he actually appeared to be quite sane, friendly and very concerned, caring and like I said really quite normal... then about 18 months later some people made some accusations regarding him, and that very same footage and interview is now the very "true Hollywood story" that is aired on foxtel from time to time... yet interestingly the context of that interview has now changed dramatically...

That is when I started to question what the media feeds the nevilles in suburbia land....

[Gusto]

Seems funny to me that in Media class I studied in tassie the only thing we focused on was everything that JD argues against.

Essentially Media Watch was our leader.

Doesn't sound like a good class; all sides to a story should be investigated, including thinking both inside and outside of the box. Media Watch is good though.

I'm 100% certain nothing we learnt would be relevant in any part of the industry. One of the fundamental issues of school for media.

Relevant, yes; Useful, not so much (still haven't gotten a full time job from my media.hons degree, but that's another story).

I don't know what they teach people in media classes these days but I'd be really interested to sit in on a few.

It would vary a lot from school to school, depending if the focus is on analysis or on production.

I love this forum - so many brainy ARSEs.

[bengatta]

I love this forum - so many brainy ARSEs.

and the best bit is we can all convince ourselves that we are 100% correct at all times.... differing opinions notwithstanding...

[petey]

Hahaha well if you believe my old English teacher we are all correct as truth is relative jimmy boy.

[bengatta]

Hahaha well if you believe my old English teacher we are all correct as truth is relative jimmy boy.

i find that statement to be incorrect....

[petey]

Hahaha well if you believe my old English teacher we are all correct as truth is relative jimmy boy.

i find that statement to be incorrect....

Well you'd be fucking wrong. Its the truth.

[Montey]

Hahaha well if you believe my old English teacher we are all correct as truth is relative jimmy boy.

i find that statement to be incorrect....

Well you'd be fucking wrong. Its the truth.

[ysu]

Use this instead:

stfu.jpg

[r8response]

[petey]

LOL that cat gets me everytime.

[bengatta]

LOL that cat gets me everytime.

I agree...

see how it works...

[petey]

LOL that cat gets me everytime.

I agree...

see how it works...

[durbster]

Sorry to bring this up again but I think it's quite relevant

The new Government here has dropped funding for speed cameras and by an amazing coincidence, local authorities have begun to admit that speed cameras are not the answer to road safety after all, and some are removing them completely in favour of more effective ways of improving road safety.

To me that's quite compelling evidence that their installation on safety grounds was a load of bollocks.

[bengatta]

no need to apologise for bringing up a thread where a debate with JD is all but guarenteed... it is an enjoyable challenge...

Now back to your government BS...

You heard them say it has not improved safety so we are removing them, and you have bought that hook line and sinker...

What they really said if you listen carefully... we are removing the speed camera's because they have become costly to maintain and revenue no longer justifies this maintaenance so we are about to introduce a new more effective measure to extract money from you...

[wobblysauce]

yay.. now is the money going to the back spots or plants and gardens.

[Virtual-R]

Seen something on NZ news the other day about this stretch of road with a huge amount of crashes happening constantly. They interviewed an MP in charge of transport and she was saying they will approach it by adding a round about and improving the roads in the area to reduce the risk. The newsreader was going nuts telling her to put in speed cameras or drop the speed limit dramatically, to which she declared most times lowering the speed limit will not work as people will simply ignore it, and that improving the roads was the main way to avoid future problems.

Wish we could get someone in charge here that would head in the same direction

[Johnny X]

What they really said if you listen carefully... we are removing the speed camera's because they have become costly to maintain and revenue no longer justifies this maintaenance so we are about to introduce a new more effective measure to extract money from you...

This

[J.D.]

no need to apologise for bringing up a thread where a debate with JD is all but guarenteed... it is an enjoyable challenge...

Hey, if they can come up with better ideas, I'm all for it. Let's wait and see what they do.

Personally, I'd take a bet that if they can't make a profit from something, they'll just get rid of it.

Governments run like a business these days. They invest money in speed cameras and hope to turn a profit. Not much else to it really.