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I'm all for safety, my previous post wasn't to say the screen isn't necessary, but if it truly is a safety issue, why has it taken so bloody long. We don't need drivers dying from things that could have been prevented. Everyone is right though, nothing will make them 100% safe. I'm just not convinced the screen would have prevented any of the incidents mentioned so far.

As for Kimi, who better to replace him with? The best option on the grid would be Dani Ric. Who else that wouldn't be tied to a contract already who is better than Kimi?

It's not like Kimi hasn't had his issues with the car either, you're all being a tad harsh on him I think.

Unless they can get a top line driver who is better than Kimi, I don't think they'll replace him.
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Muppet wrote:As for Kimi, who better to replace him with?
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I hope Leclerc lives up to the name... being a tank :D

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Ferrari don't have a history of bringing in noobs though. I think Grosjean (otherwise Haas being their Toro Rosso feeder team is a bit pointless), maybe Perez, or Sainz.
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norbs wrote:Havent the crowd signed their lives away anyway? :)
Yeah, legally, if you buy a ticket or sign a waiver at a motorsport event, we can run you over with no legal repercussions, like spectators getting hit at rallies, as long as we provide a safe spectator point, then we're in the "clear".
That being said, every time in an international event where a competitor has a monetary penalty, the money goes into the local governing body. CAMS is sitting on around $10 million as a precaution for "the big accident" where more than 2-3 people get killed and they get sued.

You could sign your life away at a race and get killed, but there's still some chance of the organizer getting sued if the family can prove that the organizer was at fault.


On the other note, canopies. If you're going to list head trauma in F1 then add Alan Stacey (1960), Chris Bristow (1960), Francois Cevert (1973) and Helmuth Koinigg (1974) to people who died from head-related (or head removing) injuries and all except Stacey would have survived their crashes if the tracks were safer, open roofs or not, and in the case of Koiningg, if the Watkins Glen organizers had actually fixed the guard rail that killed Cevert the previous year.

A lot of driver deaths came from bad tracks and manufacturers doing stupid shit with cars, or like Bristow, being a rookie driver in an F1 car. When you look at the deaths from 1950-Current then racing has become incredibly safe.
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And the counterpoint would be: How many fatalities are acceptable?
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Fatalities on live TV don't help the sport.
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w00dsy wrote:Fatalities on live TV don't help the sport.
That! It's horrible to watch. I wont ever forget Marco Simoncelli's accident :(

Yeah it's bike racing but not a good look for TV even though it's a freak thing to happen.
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Cursed wrote:And the counterpoint would be: How many fatalities are acceptable?
The simplest question to answer, zero.

No one wants to see, hear of or watch drivers die.

Doc's right it is horrible to watch, I still remember seeing Senna and can clearly remember the shock I felt on the day.

The golden years of F1 were just insane for the risks on the drivers. I can barely comprehend how they do it now, even with all the safety, can't turn my brain off to the danger it must have been like in the early days.
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Bails MacKenzie wrote:
norbs wrote:Havent the crowd signed their lives away anyway? :)
Yeah, legally, if you buy a ticket or sign a waiver at a motorsport event, we can run you over with no legal repercussions, like spectators getting hit at rallies, as long as we provide a safe spectator point, then we're in the "clear".
That being said, every time in an international event where a competitor has a monetary penalty, the money goes into the local governing body. CAMS is sitting on around $10 million as a precaution for "the big accident" where more than 2-3 people get killed and they get sued.

You could sign your life away at a race and get killed, but there's still some chance of the organizer getting sued if the family can prove that the organizer was at fault.


On the other note, canopies. If you're going to list head trauma in F1 then add Alan Stacey (1960), Chris Bristow (1960), Francois Cevert (1973) and Helmuth Koinigg (1974) to people who died from head-related (or head removing) injuries and all except Stacey would have survived their crashes if the tracks were safer, open roofs or not, and in the case of Koiningg, if the Watkins Glen organizers had actually fixed the guard rail that killed Cevert the previous year.

A lot of driver deaths came from bad tracks and manufacturers doing stupid shit with cars, or like Bristow, being a rookie driver in an F1 car. When you look at the deaths from 1950-Current then racing has become incredibly safe.
At what point do you make racing totally safe?
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The danger of the sport is appealing to everyone. We all love a good fright. The screen is a good idea but make the cars difficult to drive.

But freak accidents will always happen and we can't prevent that. No one should die but it should scare 9 shades of shit out of them.
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Seems to be a growing rumour today that the Sauber - Honda deal could be in trouble. It was provisionally signed with Kaltenbourne but now she's gone that might not be on the cards any more. They could be out completely if they don't seal this and McLaren walk away too.
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I wouldn't mind betting that Mclaren parting from Honda (which I can't see not happening and prob already has) is enough for Honda to leave F1. I can see them supplying Sauber as well as Mclaren, but not Sauber alone I wouldn't think.


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Supplying Sauber on their own would be much lower profile for them and might be better in terms of PR impact when it doesn't work. It would also allow them to get a Honda young driver in to the team. The tricky bit is getting it to work! If it did, Sauber could be a top 10 team before they know it but at the moment Honda are a walking disaster. They might take it as an opportunity to just get out before they waste any more money and credibility.
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Stories coming out that Honda has shit canned the Sauber deal.

McLaren to Mercedes and Honda to disappear

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As if this isn't a perfect role for Sam. He's so outgoing and friendly and full of personality.

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Awesome, I was only just thinking the other say what our Sambo was up to these days.

Anyone know if he's still a practicing race car driver this year?
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Vilante wrote:As if this isn't a perfect role for Sam. He's so outgoing and friendly and full of personality.

Go son!

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w00dsy wrote:
Vilante wrote:As if this isn't a perfect role for Sam. He's so outgoing and friendly and full of personality.

Go son!

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How long until he is doing the pit walk. The GP would be held up for 3 hours. :)

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We are getting an ARSE into the world of F1...

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Dr. Pain wrote:We are getting an ARSE into the world of F1...
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Does anyone have a link to the show?
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Which, the arse spreading show? :D
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