Using a TV as gaming (sim) monitor?

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Using a TV as gaming (sim) monitor?

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Anyone use one & can comment on the below?
I have heard using a TV for gaming isn't so great due to input lag & maybe refresh / latency delays but is it really that bad?
Also is there one type of TV (LCD, Plasma or LCD/LED) better for gaming than the other(s)?
Finally how close can you be to a certain size of TV before it gets too pixelated?
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That's a tough topic.
as far as i know there are certain types of technologies in some modern TVs that render them pretty bad at gaming (lag-wise), but it's best to try your TV to be sure.

Pixellation; a 1920x full-hd screen is pretty darn good resolution to sit fairly close to. Maybe not for working/image viewing, but for gaming it should be ok at nearly any distance. Altho it maybe up to personal preference too.
But still, it's best go about it scientifically :D
Here's a chart of screen sizes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_size" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's also a blurb about watching distance to help you:
Optimal screen size and viewing distance

The TV image is composed of many lines of pixels. Ideally, the TV watcher sits far enough away from the screen that the individual lines merge into one solid image. The watcher may sit even farther away and still see a good picture, but it will be a smaller portion of their visual field. The resolution of the human eye (with 20/20 vision) is about one minute of arc. For full HDTV resolution, this one minute of arc implies that the TV watcher should sit 4 times the height of the screen away...

But then again, my 24" monitor is ~32cm high, and I'm only sitting at about 60cm away. Apply that information freely to your TV situation :)
(on the other hand, I'm watching my 50" from about 3m away, which is nearly perfect)
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Kogen 46" Full HD LED* TV with PVR & SRS Audio (100Hz Full HD Panel), LG or Samsung panel can not remember now.
Similar to this but different remote layout same buttons.
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57.5cm high, sit about 100cm away.

Have not noticed any input lag.
MotionMax Technology
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Turned off, for gaming
Low for some movies depending on the encoder.

This is from some one that see some flicker and gets headaches from fluros and CRT's, if not high enough refresh rate.

The biggest thing is some TV's do not allow you to turn off the MotionMax/other tweaks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Possible unwanted effects

Visual artifacts
Main article: Visual artifact
Motion interpolation on certain brands of HDTVs is sometimes accompanied by visual anomalies in the picture, described by CNET's David Carnoy as a 'little tear or glitch' in the picture, appearing for a fraction of a second. He adds the effect is most noticeable when the technology suddenly kicks in during a fast camera pan.[1] Television and display manufacturers, in the training and other technical literature typically available only to the service industry, usually refer to this phenomenon as a member of the class of phenomena known as digital artifacts.

Soap opera effect
The "video" look is a byproduct of the perceived increase in framerate due to the interpolation and is commonly referred to as the "soap opera effect", a reference to the distinctive appearance of most broadcast television soap operas, which were typically shot using less expensive 60i video rather than film.[17][clarification needed] Some complain that the effect ruins the theatrical look of cinematic movies.[18] For this reason, almost all manufacturers have built in an option to turn the feature off. Others appreciate motion interpolation as it reduces motion blur produced by camera pans and shaky cameras and thus yields better clarity of such images. The soap opera effect can also be known as "Judder adjustment" or "Judder Removal".[19] This "video look" is created deliberately by the VidFIRE technique to restore archive television programs that only survive as film telerecordings.[20]

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On the other hand it is not as bad as older screens.
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My 60" Samsung is good I do not notice any issues with PC or console gaming

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Just found the answer to my own thread... :wow:

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I am digging up an old post here but thought I would share. I picked up one of the 55" LG oled tv's ( http://www.lg.com/au/tvs/lg-55EG960T ) and used it this morning with AC. The game in 4K is ridiculous. Like nothing I have played before. But to keep my laptop happy with a 22 car field I scaled it back to 2k. It was fine for frame rate at 4k, sitting on 59 but my laptop was running at the maximum temp doing so, so I backed it off and it ran 30 degrees cooler.

All I can say is if you have the space and the budget, this tv is amazing. Level with my wheel and 3ft in front of me I felt like I was sitting in the escort in AC.
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c.j wrote: All I can say is if you have the space
c.j wrote:and the budget


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Damn c.j. Does that TV have a gaming option as the specs don't indicate if there is?
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w00dsy wrote:Image
where the fuck did you find that :rofl: ah, laugh much? Funny fukr. It was $5k for the tv and the 850G surge protector.
Duke wrote:Damn c.j. Does that TV have a gaming option as the specs don't indicate if there is?
I'm not sure about a gaming option, but I can pick "Game" as a setting in the picture options? :melt: Beats me, I just plug things in and it looks good. :yes: I get it's pricey but some of you spend half that on a steering wheel, and no pedals. :yikes: I waited 2 years for this particular TV to be released. Paid my deposit in 2013 after the screen was shown off in Japan. We actually ordered the 65", but turns out it was too much screen for our living area so we dropped the size to the 65". And as I have explained to my bride2b and children, I am never buying another TV.

Anyway, wasn't about measuring dick sizes, you all have impressive length, I was merely pointing out it is a great TV to play games on.
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I'm using a pretty old CCFL backlit Sony Bravia 40" as a monitor. I've switched it to gaming mode, but I don't know if it makes a difference latency wise. I think people sometimes make too much of these things.

Still, today I saw an ad for a 40" 4k monitor for $1k. That might be an upgrade I'd consider, but I wouldn't know what to do with the old TV.
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c.j wrote: where the fuck did you find that :rofl: ah, laugh much? Funny fukr.

i just reversed this gif and added the text.

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When I'm gaming on my HTPC (attached to a 55" LG) I have to put it in Gaming mode otherwise the latency is terrible. So I'd recommend giving the Gaming mode a try, even if you think it's running fine. ;)
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w00dsy wrote:i just reversed this gif and added the text.
Well it made me laugh and show the misso, she calls me Phil sometimes when I have a goofy dad moment with my kids so I am touched that you made something just for me :D
AstrO wrote:When I'm gaming on my HTPC (attached to a 55" LG) I have to put it in Gaming mode otherwise the latency is terrible. So I'd recommend giving the Gaming mode a try, even if you think it's running fine. ;)
I've gone through the settings and the manual and the only option for adjusting it for gaming is in picture. I have the x-bone on hdmi 2 and it changes the tv settings when i turn the x-bone on and today with the laptop I changed it to game manually. And to be honest after plugging my laptop in to both the other flat screen tvs in the house last night and running the benchmark from AC on them and in to this screen today I can notice a massive difference. Apple and oranges difference, but then both of the other screens are around 4 - 6 years old.

I didn't have any screen lag at all, no tearing, no judder. It was just smooth and pristine gaming. I did 2x 20min practics, 2 x 15 min quals and 1x 15 lap race and it was next level. As I said earlier, I cannot play AC on anything else now. :yes:
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Depending on the game, 4k is fine if you have the frame rates, but as you said it will set a little fire going in the lappy, on the other hand 1080p scales up great and looks the goods.

Most I know do the 4k desktop, with 1080p gaming, with not a beast rig.
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