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DexterPunk wrote:They only have the sports pack in white or red left. Was leaning towards WR blue... but i reckon the white still looks good with the extra bits.

Quoted at approx $38k

Are these selling for $38k in oz? Thats incredible if they are.
Over here the base model starts at $47k for a bare bones basic model.
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Sounds like a good offer to me. $38k for a new car with extra pack is nice :)

I've bought my 1yo (toyota) GTS for $31k (no sports pack - that sort of thing did not exist).

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Wow, thornz, NZ is getting shafted big time...
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thornz wrote: Over here the base model starts at $47k for a bare bones basic model.
Jesus! :eyepop:
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There's a chance I may get it a little cheaper than this, I just had a call from another dealership and mentioned it would be around the 37K mark. It's because I'm going through a fleet company. They buy thousands of cars and get the best prices, the dealership knows that. There must be some incentive (at least for the salesman) because they have mentioned to send them the quote from custom fleet and they will make sure they match it. This is the initial quote from Subaru.
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Quick question.

What if you can't find 98 RON?

I know it's not going to be very often. I run my car on 98. But it doesn't specifically require it. There's been a couple of occasions where I'm out in the country somewhere and there isn't the option of premium fuel.
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This car specifically requires it. On the long run it'll damage the engine running lower octane fuels. For one-offs, I'd say it's not a biggie, especially if you're not running the car hard.
But if you know you're going to such a location, maybe take a 20L jerry can. This car can run on fumes, I had ~5L on freeways :)
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It's fine you just loose power. The car has a knock and will pull timing (power) out.


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We got our info from different sources it seems :)
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I think we said the same thing. I hadn't seen your reply yet. It'll be right for the time he can't get it. Obviously don't take it racing.


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I just found this in the pdf of the 2017 owners manual.
The engine is designed to operate at maximum performance using
unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 93 AKI (98 RON) or
higher. If 93 AKI (98 RON) fuel is not readily available in your area,
unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 AKI (95 RON) may be
used with no detriment to engine durability or driveability. However,
you may notice a slight decrease in maximum engine performance
and you may hear some knocking (pinging) from the engine while
using 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel. Use of 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel will not affect
your warranty coverage.
I reckon I would be right, the place I often head to has 98 about 120km away, and 95 at the closest town.
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120k's for a tank of petrol! Or rather 240k since it's both ways... farkennel...
Buy a trailer with a big tank on it, mate.
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Some of the best roads I've had the pleasure of driving though.

Like this one...
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Well, the 86 will shine there. The only problem; if you get better rubber, there's zero chance of driving close to the limit unless you're heavily speeding. I kid you not. We've got some 100k back roads here...The worst corners resemble the T1 at EC, and that's ~140km/h to get the rear squirming in the wet. (these are street tyres, contiSportContact5) On the semis in the dry it's 170k's.

Maybe the problem is that I've had too many track days now, and a taste for cornering rather quickly...hehe.
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It's a very twisty road. Often with speed recommendation signs of 20-30km/h. I imagine I'd get a bit of squirm on the power.

I think it's even better than the reefton/black spur run. I'm sure most Victorians would know those roads. It's as good as any of the roads I have driven in tassie. I just wish it was more than about 40 mins of driving.


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That sounds really twisty indeed. You shall have fun :)
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DexterPunk wrote:
thornz wrote: Over here the base model starts at $47k for a bare bones basic model.
Jesus! :eyepop:
Pfft, 64000 AUD over here for the cheapest base bones model (which I bet is even more bare than yours)
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I'll never complain that we get screwed over on car prices again.


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Going forward with the car today... so long as the finance goes though ok.

Custom Fleet have knocked more off the car too... Down to $35,658 drive away, including the sports pack. The local dealer is looking into it to see if he can beat it. Apparently he has to beat that price by $500 for custom fleet to allow it. Bit strange but I guess that's how they do business. Goes to show there's more margin in a car than they lead you to believe.


Looks like an early August delivery on the car. The wait is going to be tough.

Edit: Dealership called. Another $500 off. Heading there now.
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Good deal you got there, very good!

There's crazy margins on cars, altho they seem to let us think they operate with 10%. Yeah right.
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Good stuff mate, now that it's all done the wait is going to be hard that's for sure.

In other news given the long weekend I'll be putting in my oil cooler, should be pretty straight forward but you never know with cars.
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Good luck!
I'm very happy with the Jackson dual radiator. Hot day at EC the oil did not get over 110-ish (maybe 112 or so). Very happy with it.

I'm reinstalling my steel brakelines tomorrow.
I've bought some HEL steel braided brake lines a while ago, just been too lazy to install it. Now that I got to it a week ago, one was leaking. I've asked around on ft86club.com and turns out the old front HEL lines are somewhat faulty on certain 86's (HEL said in case of extreme wheel lock only) In any case, I've put the old one back and now HEL sent new ones - noticeably longer than the old ones. I'll try to install them.

...And putting my new delicious tune on :D

I thought I want to see & feel what's it like to use that one, compared to the OFT. I just wish I had the opportunity to run a dyno - or at least a few decent 3rd gear pulls under identical circumstances. But I'm extremely anxious to do such things as this bugger gets to 150 in 3rd...
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Cheers guys. The wait is definitely going to be painful. At this stage I'm now just scared that for some reason the finance approval will get knocked back or something. Although I think I'm just paranoid. Never been any reason for a black mark to be against my name.

Have fun with the long weekend car tinkering. I'm guessing at some stage I'll be after some advise one some basic mods.


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I waited 8 months! 3 will fly.
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They've sent an ecutec cable & a usb key - this latter unlocks the software that you can d/l from the web.
Then they've sent a tune - which turned out to be for the wrong model. For some reason my car has a japanese rom. How about that.
So now I've got the correct tune, hopefully, and will apply it over the weekend period. Then they need a few 3rd wot pulls logged. I assume they check how well the tune performs. That's how far I've got.

Then I'll visit the drags again, see if there's any detectable difference in times - and drive it around to see if there's any difference in behaviour.

Interestingly there does not seem to be a 'learn-in' period with this tune. But then again, the software is a professional tuning software, the same they use on dynos. (And there's no learn-in for dyno tunes either)
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Hopefully it's better for you. A learn in period is the ecu itself correcting for the tuner mistakes by adjusting timing and afr, it shouldn't be a thing.


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