Round 2 PM's Sent

nutty · Post by **nutty** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:02 am

Let me know if you didnt get them

wobblysauce · Post by **wobblysauce** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:42 pm

looking at server.. let play a guessing game insted of getting the right password

VTcommodore · Post by **VTcommodore** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:32 pm

didnt recieve my PM

Talasas · Post by **Talasas** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:50 pm

I didn't get a PM

VTcommodore · Post by **VTcommodore** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:15 pm

umm hello i need a PM its comming up soon hello ?

Gusto · Post by **Gusto** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:09 pm

Sorry I couldn't make it tonight and didn't get enough time to message nutty... but it perhaps seems as though it might not have happened tonight..? (no discussion threads). if it did, hope it went well without myself and samoo etc

petey · Post by **petey** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:14 pm

oh it happened, it happened hard. People are in mIRC now, discussing rules etc. Was extremely controversial, i just happened to be at the heart of it

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But most of it

Was great fun and was awesome

Close battles, heart pumping.

Bugle took the win,
I came in second.... both of which were very controversial, bugle in that he mightn't have got there and me in that i disco'd last run against bugle :P and its a pity coz i was caning him too.

wobblysauce · Post by **wobblysauce** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:52 pm

petey.. stop jerking off ..

.. and take off with the other guys.. and stop calling for re-run

and 1 more thing.. GET OFF THE PHONE

StanleyCarter · Post by **StanleyCarter** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:23 pm

PeteY, i'll be getting my revenge.

it seems like my strategy doesn't seem to work this time as well.

In round 1 I was kinda laid back, thinking I could win with what I've done, but it didn't happen. Knowing what the judges would like (maybe...

) I've made some changes in this round, I changed to a FZ50, still going at it with my usual style (smoke, lots of wheel spin, and angle), but I'm aiming for faster speed this time around (hey this should give me some wins eh?) I've made perfect runs, fast, good angle, smoke and even nice corner linking, and even pulling away, and yet I lost again!

guess I need to drive slower next time so the follower can keep up, hence the judges can spot me better?

I'm out of strategies.

Anyways, congratulations to Bugle for the win.

petey · Post by **petey** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:33 pm

Well you pulled away from me Because you were in a faster car, and i am pretty sure the reason i won against you was because i was really hanging out wide and i linked the whole course, where as you may have linked it but you were sticking to the middle of the road.

Although i dont know just guessing :P

I wasn't worrying about speed at all, i thought i'll just chuck it out there and go crazy, so i did, was hanging wide, and at everymoment i could it was planted foot drift and just plainly, it was all fun!

. Was awesome fun, i don't want it being changed but meh, somethings must be done if it is viewed so.

wobblysauce · Post by **wobblysauce** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:08 am

stan its your foult u lost.. if you didnt say re-run as well .. you were going to get the win .. becouse of the other 3 runs u had were better then petey

and after it all that last run.. just didnt look as nice as petey.. mainly on angles i think.. or was it u didnt link the last corner .. and you were tied till then

StanleyCarter · Post by **StanleyCarter** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:06 am

wobblysauce wrote:stan its your foult u lost.. if you didnt say re-run as well .. you were going to get the win .. becouse of the other 3 runs u had were better then petey

and after it all that last run.. just didnt look as nice as petey.. mainly on angles i think.. or was it u didnt link the last corner .. and you were tied till then

I linked that, watch the replay again.

kamkor · Post by **kamkor** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:12 am

After watching Round 1 replay, I was really suprised with seeing Stan lose(not fair lose). The judging system you guys use is not accurate at all. Judges should at least leave the server and watch the replays offline(to confirm their judgement), because when:

StanleyCarter wrote:guess I need to drive slower next time so the follower can keep up, hence the judges can spot me better?

When the other car pulls too much in front, you can't really watch two drivers like you should - does it make a fair judgement? No.

After all, I haven't seen a replay from R2 yet, so I can't really say how it all went this time.. But based on what I have read so far in this thread, it probably was same as in R1.

Other than that, I really like the way in which layouts look, very cool.

Post by **Hz-Lab** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:06 am

kamkor wrote:After watching Round 1 replay, I was really suprised with seeing Stan lose(not fair lose). The judging system you guys use is not accurate at all. Judges should at least leave the server and watch the replays offline(to confirm their judgement), because when:

StanleyCarter wrote:guess I need to drive slower next time so the follower can keep up, hence the judges can spot me better?
When the other car pulls too much in front, you can't really watch two drivers like you should - does it make a fair judgement? No.

After all, I haven't seen a replay from R2 yet, so I can't really say how it all went this time.. But based on what I have read so far in this thread, it probably was same as in R1.

Other than that, I really like the way in which layouts look, very cool.

I agree with this somewhat, the judging system needs to be reviewed and set guidelines put in place. I too think Stan was hard done by in R1, havnt seen last nights replay yet to comment on R2 though.

For one i think its a little odd that in a competition based on driver skill & technique that anyone could win a run when they, for example, put all 4 wheels out on the grass (should be Instant Loss in my book) or Tap a wall (should be something to frown upon as aposed to rewarding), if some one were to nominate a certain barrier they were going to tap, then that would be different.

I really dont know jack shit about drifting, so i'm not going to declare whats wrong and whats right, but i think it wouldnt hurt for the admins & judges to Liaise a little with say Stan and Arsyn or any others that have been involved with online drifting and online drift tournaments before and see how they were run, maybe grab a few replays.

I'm not trying to put anyones nose out of joint here, just think it would be nice for the AAD to get to the proffesionalism of the AAL. And to do that these issues need to be addressed.

Also aswell, on a slightly unrelated topic, i thought it was somewhat disgraceful last night that there were certain people that would just not shut up while the admins were trying to go through the drill. I think this is something that needs to be looked at with appropriate penalties handed down if it happens in the future.

That all said and done, driftin sure is fun... holy shit that rhymes

Post by **Hz-Lab** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:07 am

BAH!!! double posticles

nutty · Post by **nutty** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:13 am

I agree with teh above two comments (not the double post lol),

Stan and T0fu have helped myself and spoon out with details from previous events held by the guys at LFS Tourqe ( http://www.lfs-torque.net/ )

We will be making some serious rule/juding changes before the next round, I am hoping to have this done before next tuesday, but the round MIGHT be postponed if needed

petey · Post by **petey** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:53 am

Hmm, yea this is what i don't like, i don't want it getting serious but obviously others do so, aslong as we know, fair enough, i'll still race but i will certainly not have as good a time as if we just left it without trying to make a serious thing, because the more serious you get the more formal the more formal the more tight tension the more tense the more chance for mistake and the more chance for people to get agrivated << Dunno how to spell it

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Post by **Hz-Lab** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:15 am

PeTeY wrote:Hmm, yea this is what i don't like, i don't want it getting serious but obviously others do so, aslong as we know, fair enough, i'll still race but i will certainly not have as good a time as if we just left it without trying to make a serious thing, because the more serious you get the more formal the more formal the more tight tension the more tense the more chance for mistake and the more chance for people to get agrivated << Dunno how to spell it .

Its not about making it serious, or taking the fun out of it. its about creating parity throughout the rounds and the judgements. And I may be wrong, but i feel nutty & spoon's intentions of this is to make it the premierre Drift league in the Southern Hemisphere. And that wont happen without the respect. and the league will only get that respect with integrity.

But even still, With stricter rules and what not, i still dont know how hooning around a circuit with your Car allmost constantly sideways can be anything but fun

petey · Post by **petey** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:21 am

Yep i agree, but if you want to get the respect and integrity your asking, it does take the relaxed style out of it, which is as i have just said about 3 million times, is half the fun "for me". But thats fair enough, but on the point of respect and integrity,
How can a judge not be able to drift him or herself and still have "the right" (use that lightly) To say how it should and should not be done?
Because the best way to learn is from practice and experience. Drifting isn't something that you can just do like that //clicks fingers\\ it is done from practice.

meh

I really don't mind, just putting my point of view out there.

Tofuboi · Post by **Tofuboi** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:36 am

As one of the judges, I must admit some of the rulings may have been a bit 'unreliable'. Now I'm not saying this on behalf of wobblysauce and r8 but this is my own comment.

Now see, in various points of last nights round, for example, ReppohC and Bugle. From what I can remember, Bugle span out, that should have given ReppohC an instant win for that run, but no one neglected to even mention the first run in the discussion we had last night, im going to go over the replay again, but what I can remember I think it was an all out bugle win for the first run, which should have made it a tie. So yes, some of the judging from my point of view, was a little unreliable. But please remember, we didnt have much time to make a decision.

I may be whinging here yes, but in another case for example. The PeTeY and Bugle run, now this was the final, so alot of pressure was on us for so little time.

When it came completely down to me at the end, I chose PeTeY because I wanted it to be a third run, as I could just not make a decent decision, I needed to see more.

So when I did that, all hell broke loose, and none of this would have happened. And I really feel bad about it.

petey · Post by **petey** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:09 pm

That was the reason for all hell breaking lose was it? , it was noone's fault in the competition for what happened in the last run, im on dial-up nothing i can do about that and someone picked up the phone nothing i can do about that either, so its just one of those things that happens, that is nothing to do with judging, and fair enough i wouldn't have cared if you said that was an immediate loss, but i just wasn't aware of it.

Tofuboi · Post by **Tofuboi** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:12 pm

PeTeY wrote:That was the reason for all hell breaking lose was it? , it was noone's fault in the competition for what happened in the last run, im on dial-up nothing i can do about that and someone picked up the phone nothing i can do about that either, so its just one of those things that happens, that is nothing to do with judging, and fair enough i wouldn't have cared if you said that was an immediate loss, but i just wasn't aware of it.

Well neither we were as judges.

We did not know what to do, we never considered this to actually become a problem. We never expected it to happen this way. But it did, and we couldnt do anything.

petey · Post by **petey** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:40 pm

Yea to tell the truth i am totally over it and would rather just leave that at that. Already tried the next layout, very tricky one in my opinion./

Bugle · Post by **Bugle** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:08 pm

Can someone post a replay?

Tofuboi · Post by **Tofuboi** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:10 pm

PeTeY wrote:Yea to tell the truth i am totally over it and would rather just leave that at that. Already tried the next layout, very tricky one in my opinion./

Well I'm glad, makes me feel better.