Australia is so far behind. (Electric cars)

[nutty]

Yeah the range tests are a bit BS, The NEDC that most manufactures are forced to use are commonly known as Not Even Darn Close.
WLTP seems to be closer, but it seems like its a hard test to get right.. battery condition/temp/and type of driving makes a huge impact on range.

Ultimately my view is I wouldn't buy a car without 400km of range when fully topped up, that seems to be a good number for a few days of driving around doing shopping without having to worry about plugging in every day and a trip to the coast and back with a bunch of breathing room.

[Big Kev]

The range depends (just like petrol) on what sort of driving you're doing too.

If you're on a long road with no braking involved you miss out on all the regen opportunities you would get around a town. Pretty much the opposite of a petrol car where a long cruise is when it's at its most efficient. Which brings me back to my comment about electric being perfect for city life but not elsewhere.

[smithcorp]

[Jamo]

Porsche engineering to save us from this bleak, dreary future?

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2021/02/pors ... an-as-evs/

[Cursed]

The amusing part of AU being so dependent on petrol vehicles is how we've managed to rid ourselves of most if not all of our own oil refining capacity.

[Jamo]

Further to previous

CNET: Porsche synthetic E-Fuel gas is just as clean as an EV, exec says.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/pors ... emissions/

Anyone who claims to be interested in motoring and motorsport who is not literally fucking thrilled by this development is full of shit to say the least.

[norbs]

Further to previous

CNET: Porsche synthetic E-Fuel gas is just as clean as an EV, exec says.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/pors ... emissions/

Anyone who claims to be interested in motoring and motorsport who is not literally fucking thrilled by this development is full of shit to say the least.

Lol. What a stupid thing to say.

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[smithcorp]

Isn't this the plot of Cars 3?

[Bails MacKenzie]

Isn't this the plot of Cars 3?

No, Cars 2 and it turns out that the biofuel is not only regular petrol, but it can kill cars too.

Cars 3 is the film that says "Fuck the environment, let's go short-track racing"

[norbs]

Porsche with another "innovation" to the stupidly old invention.

[Jamo]

That's awesome too!

Norbs your bike is a ludicrously old invention better turf it.
I also hate to tell you but electric motors are older than internal combustion.

[norbs]

That's awesome too!

Norbs your bike is a ludicrously old invention better turf it.
I also hate to tell you but electric motors are older than internal combustion.

The bike is not killing the planet, unless I am putting out more CO2 than I expect. Dont start me on bike races however.

With regards to electric motors, yes they are older, but we can generate electricity without burning dinosaurs. I dont expect the Porsche eco fuel to take off, but I said the same about reality TV!

[Brett_S]

How long before some enterprising cars salesman starts selling packages. EV, solar system and battery?

Have you seen this? Had a good look at the options available when the wife needed a car, but like most people looking for an EV at the moment there's not much out there that is worth getting apart from a Tesla. Ended up getting a Mazda 2 for the interim.

https://next.agl.com.au/ev-subscription

Pay a subscription for the car, they install the charger, insurance and servicing all covered.

I keep saying the next car will be an EV - the Hyundai Ionic 5 looks good, Model Y is probably too expensive. If Fiat pulls out an Abarth EV with decent numbers I would seriously consider that.

[norbs]

How long before some enterprising cars salesman starts selling packages. EV, solar system and battery?

Have you seen this? Had a good look at the options available when the wife needed a car, but like most people looking for an EV at the moment there's not much out there that is worth getting apart from a Tesla. Ended up getting a Mazda 2 for the interim.

https://next.agl.com.au/ev-subscription

Pay a subscription for the car, they install the charger, insurance and servicing all covered.

I keep saying the next car will be an EV - the Hyundai Ionic 5 looks good, Model Y is probably too expensive. If Fiat pulls out an Abarth EV with decent numbers I would seriously consider that.

Wow, that is interesting.

It is a shame we dont get things like this out here...



And for the bike nuts

[DarrenM]

Hyundai Ionic 5 is a very nice looking machine. Hope they do something smaller with that design language, like an updated Kona. Still won't be able to afford one though.

[Cutter]

Me and SWMBO are going to an Electrikana in Devonport next month.
A number of makers and importers are having a day long look /try /drive session of various models.
Hopefully will decide the next car we choose

[KNAPPO]

Been binging repair videos the last few nights and this popped up in the recommended list today lol

[norbs]

[DarrenM]

Tweet was deleted?

[norbs]

Tweet was deleted?

Fixed. Thanks Darren

[DarrenM]

Eesh. That'll bite us in the arse if it starts getting difficult to buy ice cars before we have decent charging infrastructure in place.

[Big Kev]

That UK number is almost certainly not pure EVs. More likley to be hybrids in order to make it look much better than it is.
Also a '19 to '20 year comparison is terribe because 2020 was the lowest car sales year since the war, due to showrooms being shut so any sale of anything really skews the stats. There are currently nearly 200 VW ID3's on the used market.... but they're all VW-bought dealer demos for instance.

[durbster]

Yeah, no way that 1 in 10 cars here is BEV. I sometimes walk the dog around a little village which must be the perfect EV demographic (plenty of money in big houses with driveways etc.), and even there I reckon they are about 1 in 70.

There's certainly more than there was a couple of years ago so they are definitely on the up.

[DarrenM]

It's percentage of new car sales.

Last year, 6900 electric cars were sold in Australia.

Although that was 2.7 per cent more than in 2019, it accounted for just 0.75 per cent of total cars sold in Australia that year, which was a much smaller proportion than that sold in the UK, US and Europe.

Electric vehicle sales in the EU increased their market share from 3.8 per cent in 2019 to 10.2 per cent in 2020.

Meanwhile, their market share rose from 3.1 per cent to 10.7 per cent in the UK, from 7.6 per cent to 8.1 per cent in California, and from 56 per cent to 75 per cent in Norway.

[w00dsy]

We probably buy a lot more used cars. Doesn't the registration/roadworthy rules mean there's not a lot of old cars sold over there due to high costs?