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There may be a better place in the forum to post this but since this relates more so to GT5 (for me at least) ill post it here.

Lets assume that were sequential shifting and not using a clutch, my question is do you use both feet, one for braking and one for gas like a go kart, or one foot for both?

The other night I thought I would see if using two feet would improve my lap times and what I found was that I could brake later into a corner and quickly tap the brake to tighten up my line. For my first go at it the results seem pretty encouraging and with a bit more practice I think this could work out quicker for me.

What you do you guys think, am I going to get myself into a bad habit?

it's called left-foot braking, and it's commonly used, indeed (I use it online all the time, never in the real car on the road, though)
One famous person who have used it very well was Senna if I'm correct.

It gives you the ability to have throttle and brake on at the same time, which also enables other driving techniques eg to save a spin when the rear end steps out. (lock up front to generate extreme understeer)

Edit; oh and if you search you may find a thread asking the same question (just worded left foot braking) - quite a few of us use it.

cheers ysu, i'm always forgetting to use the forum search :P

Both feet for me.

I find left foot trail braking is the best way to balance the car. I cant drive sims any other way but im hopeless at it on the road and always stab the brake which is odd cos i have a fine touch on the brake when using the logi or A1 pedals.

Sorry I'm the knob who voted 1 foot, before I realised this thread was talking about GT5 and was indeed in the GT section of the forum. I have only had limited use of a wheel/pedals on a pc and two feet was definitely the way to go. On the road though, I still can't get it.

The knobs who drive kilometer after kilometer with their brakes on give me the shits too.

Takumi wrote:Sorry I'm the knob who voted 1 foot, before I realised this thread was talking about GT5

Same as knappo here. I think you'll find it's only a very small minority (percentage wise) of the sim racing community who use right foot braking when gaming.

Left foot braking is used pretty much exclusively in F1 these days, I believe and it just gives you one more tool to balance the car with.

Murphy left foot brakes also.

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KNAPPO wrote:Both feet for me.

I find left foot trail braking is the best way to balance the car. I cant drive sims any other way but im hopeless at it on the road and always stab the brake which is odd cos i have a fine touch on the brake when using the logi or A1 pedals.

and the explanation for that is the brake pedal force. I think if you get a load cell pedal set you'll be able to rfb.

ysu wrote:

KNAPPO wrote:Both feet for me.

I find left foot trail braking is the best way to balance the car. I cant drive sims any other way but im hopeless at it on the road and always stab the brake which is odd cos i have a fine touch on the brake when using the logi or A1 pedals.

and the explanation for that is the brake pedal force. I think if you get a load cell pedal set you'll be able to rfb.

Er, you have it the wrong way round, ysu. It's on the road that he has trouble modulating his left foot. The reason your left-foot braking sucks on the road KNAPPO is probably the fact that when you left foot brake in a road car you have nothing much supporting your body against the g-forces, hence it's hard to modulate the pedal with your full bodyweight (or at least the weight of your leg) on the pedal.

You'll also find that when using your sim pedals your heel will be on the ground whereas it's potentially difficult to do that (with the left foot, anyway) in a real car.

For me: right-foot brake on the road, for the reasons mentioned above.

Left-foot brake in racing sims and in the rally car (mostly). With a full harness on, supporting your weight, it's a lot easier to left-foot brake.

There's a nifty vid here showing how you can combine left foot and right foot braking in a race car.

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LFB here, both on the road and in sims. I used to live in a place that had couple of 2nd gear corners in a row, so i learned to lfb there. I eventually learned how to swap my feet on the brake, so now i LFB on the initial application, swap to the right foot for the gear change, then back to the left for the exit

I raced karts well before I drove a car so i have trouble right foot braking in an automatic lol

VTRacing wrote: The reason your left-foot braking sucks on the road KNAPPO is probably the fact that when you left foot brake in a road car you have nothing much supporting your body against the g-forces, hence it's hard to modulate the pedal with your full bodyweight (or at least the weight of your leg) on the pedal.

You'll also find that when using your sim pedals your heel will be on the ground whereas it's potentially difficult to do that (with the left foot, anyway) in a real car.

Spot on mate. G-forces, supporting weight and heel position has always been the biggest difference/issues in taking my sim racing style and adapting it to my road car. It just doesn't feel all that safe when ive tried it so i tend to heel n toe instead.

Then again im not usually driving at a speed on the road that ive needed to balance a sliding car with trail braking

right footer here on the brake, never really tried the left foot, but in real car heal and toe option suits me, the left foot was always good for clutch kickn in the old good old drift racing days - check out "Kodak Hodak" on youtube Blue Nissan 200SX going around Mallala -

video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97AqDe-LdQQ

video 2: http://www.doylecrash.com.au/motorsport.html

wasnt the greates driver, but it was fun for a short while, perferr circuit sprints with big HP!!!

bloody drifters, i'm sick of cleaning up the oil you leave at T6 :P

GT VIRUS wrote:bloody drifters, i'm sick of cleaning up the oil you leave at T6 :P

i must say true to that, some drifters here local are utter pigs and take no pride in the race cars or the track.... hence why i gave this sport up 3 years ago.....

so much cash for a short quater lap is all you get, the best place we drifted was Pt Gawler, short go-kart track oober fun with passengers was pure fantastic for a short while it lasted due to insurrance issues....

luv to hit club car racing and maybe one day bring back alive my Mazda capella back in full race track form, "I can only Dream"

On the other hand, racers know that drifting is keeping mallala alive for now, and until taliem bend comes up, it needs to stay.

Modern Regulatity is always a good option if your after some semi-competition driving. There are always a couple of drift guys who come out for that (much to our amusement, they dont make many set-up changes, and have a habit of finding new walls to hit

KNAPPO wrote:

VTRacing wrote: The reason your left-foot braking sucks on the road KNAPPO is probably the fact that when you left foot brake in a road car you have nothing much supporting your body against the g-forces, hence it's hard to modulate the pedal with your full bodyweight (or at least the weight of your leg) on the pedal.

You'll also find that when using your sim pedals your heel will be on the ground whereas it's potentially difficult to do that (with the left foot, anyway) in a real car.

Spot on mate. G-forces, supporting weight and heel position has always been the biggest difference/issues in taking my sim racing style and adapting it to my road car. It just doesn't feel all that safe when ive tried it so i tend to heel n toe instead.

Then again im not usually driving at a speed on the road that ive needed to balance a sliding car with trail braking

If you keep at it in your real car it will get easier.

In my car i can do it pretty well, but its taken a bit, and i dont use it often, only when im on a road by myself that I know, and i always brake super early just for cautions sake.

I hate right foot braking on my pc, i have a load cell and i always left foot. I have actualy set it up so my left leg is perfectly straight, i have to have my right leg bent to the left a bit to get the accelerator but its so much better for braking.