2018 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO HEINEKEN D'ITALIA

[Big Kev]

Great banner in the crowd at Monza

[Sarsippius]

Is it just me or does that read like Lewis (Hamilton) and his DWC (whatever that is) have got engaged.

No the whole thing doesn't make much sense to me either. I was going to make a crack about the poor English but then realised it's probably his second language

[durbster]

Good race.

Hockenheim and Monza - two big errors by Vettel that I think will lose him the championship.

What do we think of Vettel now?

Although I like the bloke, I can't help but feel his number of championships flatters him. He's a top class driver when he's got it all going his way and you don't win a championship without deserving it, but he's nowhere near as complete as most of the drivers he shares statistics with. He's too easily rattled.

[Dr. Pain]

I think there's a lot of pressure on Ferrari from with in at the moment. Vettel being number 1 seems to feel it more than Kimi. Both himself and the team are making these mistakes whether it's driving errors or strategy errors.

[norbs]

How long has it been that a couple of teams could potentially win the title?

I dont think the last few world champs have had to beat anyone other than their team mates.

Vettel was in the best car at Red Bull and Hamilton/Rosberg at Mercedes. I think the Merc has dominated more than the Red Bulls, from memory, but they havent really had to race anyone other than their team mates for a while, it seems like. I might be wrong.

I am far from an expert, but I think if they were in the same cars, the guy leaving might have them covered.

[norbs]

Although I like the bloke, I can't help but feel his number of championships flatters him. .

Same for Hamilton though really. How many championships does he have in a car that was 2 seconds a lap faster? And in one, his tea mate won the WC.

[Cursed]

... but he's nowhere near as complete as most of the drivers he shares statistics with. He's too easily rattled.

I think we often see champions of yesteryear through rose-coloured glasses and flatter them. I think we tend to weigh their misdeeds much more favourably against their successes.

[Exar Kun]

Although I like the bloke, I can't help but feel his number of championships flatters him. .

Same for Hamilton though really. How many championships does he have in a car that was 2 seconds a lap faster? And in one, his tea mate won the WC.

If we went off that then most world champions would be in the same boat.

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[pixelboy]

Schumacher was possibly the exception (and I'm sure there are others). He won WC's when not in the fastest car several times.