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Not much downforce, but looking at the pic on the last page that shouldn't be surprising. It'll be nice to see a high powered open wheel series that isn't aero dominated.

Fuck Downforce.

Muat say they don't sound a thing like F5000.

It'd be nice if they can get them to rev a bit higher. The old Commodores before V8supercars ran up to 8500 and they sounded so much nicer than the current ones that only hit 7500.

Here we go. They get a much nicer scream to them with that extra thousand rpm. 30 F5000's sounding like this would be glorious.

I like the way they sound just right.

They need to be 8000 rpm or more to sound good

I happened to be at the 2016 Historic Sandown last weekend and got the chance to sit trackside as 12 F5000's did their thing.
I still can't hear loud noises at the moment, but if the old cars can go so good then I've got good faith in the new cars.
Also, the pole position time for the Sandown 500 was 1:08, two F5000's were hitting 1:03's and another four were going hell for leather for 4th place which is the most fearsome sight you can see in motorsport when so many of those beasts fight for track position.

Are they in modern rubber or classic?

Heard the Historics all weekend living only 3km's from the Circuit. You could tell when the F5000 beasts were on track that is for sure.

wobblysauce wrote:Are they in modern rubber or classic?

Modern rubber AVON slicks to be precise, the only cars that have classic rubber there are the old Formula Juniors and Tasman cars on display, everything else is new rubber.

F5000 were more a deep bassy roar than a scream Rod. As Bails kinda mentioned there's nothing else like them, the sound is a physical presence.

Only louder race cars I've heard are NASCAR which are ear bleedingly/eardrum rupturingly loud in person & that includes all types of Formula 1.

wow. I've heard a GT3 porker screaming past while on the pit wall at wakefield, but that is about as loud as I want to get. Since towards T1 the cars are pretty much at arm's length...First time it happened I've almost fell off the wall, LOL.
I think I'd rather not watch these guys trackside, maybe from a bit farther off.

I've heard NASCAR and F5000 at the grand prix. Agreed NASCARs are crazy loud but the V10 F1s were louder than F5000 I reckon. Still awesome. Top Fueler is the loudest car I've heard though. That was insane. It was like you could see the sound waves ripple away from it.

Jamo wrote:F5000 were more a deep bassy roar than a scream Rod.

i don't care what they used to sound like, only what they could sound like

Jamo wrote:As Bails kinda mentioned there's nothing else like them, the sound is a physical presence.

In fact, you can quote me on that now The sound is indeed a physical presence.

There were a few loud cars at Sandown, as expected, Like the old Lotuses and Lolas with their 1L Cosworth engines and their impossible revs, the Tasman 2.5L Climax I4 that rivals the F5000 on that intense sound that literally shakes you no matter where the car is on the track (seriously, that engine is amazing) and the Cleveland 351 which is almost as loud as an F5000 and just as brutal.

Having heard the newer cars on video they sound like a modern V8 would, but they lack that wild noise that the old flat tappet Chevs and Repcos had, still, it'll please the crowds and be a damn sight cheaper than running an old Lola, so bring it on!

Also they'll be a hell of a lot safer than these old tubs!

Exar Kun wrote:but the V10 F1s were louder than F5000 I reckon.Top Fueler is the loudest car I've heard though.

You're probably right in sheer decibel level but that's a shriek, the F5000 you feel in your chest.
I don't count dragsters as cars. A car can turn They're more like sleds, batshit fast sleds.

Bails wrote:Tasman 2.5L Climax I4 that rivals the F5000 on that intense sound that literally shakes you no matter where the car is on the track (seriously, that engine is amazing)

Yeah they're not bad after starting life as a Fire Pump eh!

V8supercars have released pics of their new competing category, called Super 5000. I'm conflicted about this, they clearly took Chris Lamdens idea and i hate them for that, but it looks more legit. http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/06/02/sup ... -revealed/

That's my quandary too. It looks heaps better but I don't really want to like it.


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It could be bigger and better than the current state of V8 Supercars, if they allow it to be.

No way this car will pass FIA crash tests. That nose is just going to scoop up anything in its way. I hate that it looks just like the old cars, we already have them!

Aside from just making a retro-modern Lola T332, is there any real market for two F5000 categories?
The biggest open wheeler field in Australia is Formula Vee with 50 drivers and cars that cost 10k to buy and 2k a year to run.

Running in F4 with cams backing costs 300k per year, and it pulls the same 6 teams who ran in F3.
You've potentially got a market of around 40-50 drivers who can afford to race an F5000 and half of them will have average skills, which means that they can either run high places in the FT5000 or be swamped and quickly desert the Supercars series.

So with Supercars saying that Lambden can run his as a "grassroots" thing is a load of shit, even if we had one series there wouldn't be 15+ cars turning up to every race, hell, real F5000 struggled to reach 15 cars a race most times because we don't have the population density like American and England to support such a category, especially one that no-longer has cams support and thanks to the Tasman Series and real F5000 ending, has no career progression.

Literally all of the teams in Supercars have said they aren't going to run them, there's no rhyme nor reason to, aside from a "We want F5000's that don't strip teeth from their gears" argument, there's not much separating the new cars from the historic scene anyway, especially when a 40 year old Chevron can lap Sandown faster than a Supercar or F3.

It's like with the Supercar Ute series, none of the ute teams want to run it, but Supercars is gonna build them anyway and pray for a full grid.

Was wondering what that was running around the track last month.

Even with the bike racing, most do not go to all events.

I just dont see the latent ten million dollars floating around Australian motorsport at the moment that would be necessary to get either series off the ground. Its five years too late as the GT3 series has swallowed up the dollars of the gentleman racers.
This could only work if it was adopted all over the world as the open wheeler amateur series but I just cant see it taking off.