Re: Eco-modding?

Crowella · Post by **Crowella** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:20 am

... That's unbelievable. He is selling it? For 1k?

Rots · Post by **Rots** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:01 am

lol... looks horrid.

petey · Post by **petey** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:22 am

Why in the hell are they all blocking off their radiators?

Err there is airflow there for a reason.

WizardHat · Post by **WizardHat** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:42 am

'Merica.

wobblysauce · Post by **wobblysauce** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:01 pm

petey wrote:Why in the hell are they all blocking off their radiators? Err there is airflow there for a reason.

Yes and No.

He is doing a WAI(Warm Air Intake), for that car it runs better.

Though I do like it back when it looked like this, and after that he did some under body work and made even more mpg

And in this post here http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.p ... #post25401" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; he made a nascar grill hole with function, as he was changing the way the alternator works.

To stop the way the radiator fans from kicking in and drawing more power.

ysu · Post by **ysu** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:10 pm

you can tell the big U.S.A is really running out of money, eh?

petey · Post by **petey** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:15 pm

wobblysauce wrote:
petey wrote:Why in the hell are they all blocking off their radiators? Err there is airflow there for a reason.
Yes and No.

That makes no sense. There is airflow - to help cool the engine coolant. That is it's purpose.
Making your engine overheat is one way of getting a warm air intake, another would be to run the intake to the exhaust side and wrap it around the headers.

Losing power is hardly an efficient way of being economical.

DexterPunk · Post by **DexterPunk** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:26 pm

Yeah, and surely warm air... Less dense.. Burns less gooderer.

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Jiminee · Post by **Jiminee** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:35 pm

Dexter, apparently that is the aim. I had a quick look through the thread and found this explanantion:

Cold air contains more oxygen, hot air has less oxygen.

In the tuner world you want a cold air intake so you can inject more gas with that air to gain more power.

With economy, you would want less air, thus less fuel used, and better economy.

Also there is a plus side in that warmed up engines at "operating temps" get better gas mileage, using hot air in the intake warms the engine up quicker, getting you to those better gas mileage conditions faster.

I'm sure there are better explanations with more specifics, but this is the jyst of it.

Not saying they are right or wrong, but that is THEIR thinking behind what they are doing. I remember my old Mk 2 Escort had the ability for something similar if I recall correctly, basically running the intake for the air filter on top of the carby past the exhaust, but that was purely for running in cold weather (it was German built) and was missing on this Australian delivered model.
Basically they are doing everything ass backwards to what 'we' would want to do.

petey · Post by **petey** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:16 pm

Less air = less throttle.
Warm air = bad volumetric efficiency.

Sounds ludicrous to me.

Exar Kun · Post by **Exar Kun** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:30 pm

Yep, you just need more throttle to get the same amount of power, thus using more fuel. Am I missing something big here?

ysu · Post by **ysu** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:50 pm

well, some ppl would swear by those fuel saving magnets...I'm just saying

Post by **Big Kev** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:35 pm

Presumably also the added weight means the car needs more throttle to do the same speed thus negating the point of adding it, but if they believe it's working, then fine

Jiminee · Post by **Jiminee** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:29 pm

Not to mention all these mods make the car itself a good deal less practical, in fact he only drives it 60 miles a month now.
Try putting something in the boot with the boat tail in the way! Or negotiate a speed bump? Or over take a truck with that power sapping warm air intake?
Reading further the window in the back regularly falls out! And he has faffed about with the alternator because it saps SO much power, so what if he can not start the car one day and requires a rescue vehicle to make an otherwise unnecessary trip to get him going again, that knocks a pretty big hole in his fuel savings.

Rots · Post by **Rots** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:43 am

Those mods would kill its market value, only a nutter like him would be interested but that nutter would have modded his own car anyway.

He runs 4 or more batteries, had a solar panel but seems gone now with the boat tail. He also charges them at home.

Crowella · Post by **Crowella** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:13 am

Some things just start sounding counter-intuitive in many ways but I mean, he's been getting results, even at a pricey cost. I wonder how much of it could have been just a change in driving style?

Exar Kun · Post by **Exar Kun** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:29 am

Crowella wrote:Some things just start sounding counter-intuitive in many ways but I mean, he's been getting results, even at a pricey cost. I wonder how much of it could have been just a change in driving style?

That's it - the biggest thing you can do to improve fuel economy is simply to change the way you drive. So many people don't understand this or are too lazy to try any different.

wobblysauce · Post by **wobblysauce** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:54 am

Jiminee wrote:Not to mention all these mods make the car itself a good deal less practical, in fact he only drives it 60 miles a month now.

He moved since he modded the car, and is a lot closer to his place of work and rides a bike.

Jiminee wrote:Or over take a truck with that power sapping warm air intake?

Not every one drives as if there is stop watch from point A to point B. Reduced power is the same as if you were at a higher altitude,

Jiminee wrote:he has faffed about with the alternator because it saps SO much power

Just finding things that could net more efficiency, same with the Air hole once at operating temps for the radiator fans to not turn on- the point about wind and them spinning by themself's.

DexterPunk · Post by **DexterPunk** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:29 am

Wobbly, are you an Eco-modder?

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matticooper · Post by **matticooper** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:39 am

No, he's just read the 30-odd pages of the post...